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    Maybe the link to EditPlus will help. It is a shareware download so you can download and take a look at it. Open up one of the web pages you created in FP and see what it looks like as raw HTML. You may notice that in the bits I posted above things are in different colors... EditPlus will also color code the HTML wich makes it easier to see things.
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    Also I thought I may share with you some of my Favorite sites I keep book marked for refrence use. There is absolutely know way my mind can keep all this info in it.
    W3 Schools
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    i know its a big subject, thanks for taking the time with me, i understand 100% what your saying. when i look at the html i can understand what it means, i just wouldnt know how to write it, it looks pretty straight forward. what i was confused about was, i would like to get in to web desighn for other people and small businesses, What would i use? I imagine a knowledge of advaced html would be smart on my part.

    i have FP DW and golive. do you do all of your web pages from scratch with an editor?

    thanks so much

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    Quote Originally Posted by lclark
    i have FP DW and golive. do you do all of your web pages from scratch with an editor?
    thanks so much
    Well yes and no. I will often play with layout in DW when I am starting simply because it is much faster and easier to see visually. Once I get a layout that I think will work I will then move to Edit+ and start working with it there. I find it much easier to manipulate in Edit+ and not get extra tags.

    I have also started working more and more with CSS and style sheets to create the look of a page. With this approach you can almost make any basic page layout look like anything. Most modern boards and CMS programs use CSS heavily to manipulate the look of the site. It has taken my quite some time to get used to CSS and in all truth it all just did not make sense at first so I ignored it. This was a very bad idea.

    I learn from example so I spend a lot of time examining the source code of pages when I see somthing I like and am not sure how it is done. If I run across something new I go straight to Google and start looking for information on it. I also have books that cover the basics of HTML, CSS, Javascript, Java, php, perl, and some others. These give me the refrence to look up things also. When I started my first book was Useing HTML by Tom Savola wich details how to create a page by typeing in code in a text editor. I still have it and often use it to refresh my memory. I don't know that it matter what book you get but do think it is important to have these around.
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    i know i have an html book around here somewhere, id better dig it out. i see what your saying, i was wondering how you knew what the page looked like, i can understand doing the layout in a program then going in and editing. ive been going in and looking at the tables and getting a better understanding in my own sites.

    you have cleared up alot for me. thanks alot!!!

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    Your welcome.... keep plugging along. If you run into something you can't sort out give us a holler and we will see if we can help.
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    you got . thank you so much!!!

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    I ran your web site through the W3C checker (http://validator.w3.org/) and it came up with 16 errors for the planethi-fi. God bless Microsoft - they never stick to standards!

    Possible freeware replacements for FrontPage and Dreamweaver are listed below. Try them all and use the one you like best (or indeed a combination). My personal favourite is 1stPage 2000 as that's what I grew up with, although the Trellian and Nvu editors look good. However, 1stPage is 6 years old and has been superceded officially by the 2006 version (which costs $60). You can still download the 2000 version from vodoofiles (http://www.voodoofiles.com/4836).

    Trellian Webpage (http://www.trellian.com/webpage/index.html)

    NVU (http://www.nvu.com/index.php)

    PageBreeze. http://www.pagebreeze.com/ -- very similar to Frontpage Express.

    WebBuilder (http://www.pablovandermeer.nl/web_builder.html) "One way" - cannot import existing HTML. Produces clunky code. IMHO AVOID

    WebDwarf (http://www.virtualmechanics.com/products/dwarf/) . Note this is also a "one way" program but at least it uses compliant CSS for layout. This can produce sophisticated effects not possible with the two above BUT older browsers may not render the page correctly so be judicious with "special effects."


    Apparently, if you combine WebDwarf with PSPad's feature for cleaning and tidying up HTML, you've got yourself a potent combo although there is no reason why you shouldn't combine PSPad and TopStyle with either Trellian or NVU. PSPad will also reformat the internal CSS. You can then copy and paste this to a separate file for use as external stylesheet. For a site with multiple pages, that ensures consistency of look across your site. You can then tweak this stylesheet with TopStyle Lite (also freeware) at any time to instantly change the look and feel of your entire site.

    PSPad (Programmer's Editor) (http://www.pspad.com/en/download.php)

    Topstyle Lite (CSS editor) (http://www.newsgator.com/NGOLProduct...&ProdView=lite)


    Richard

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