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    Default FrontPage vs. Dream Weaver

    hello,
    I am a Front Page user, and not very sophisticated at that, but I am competent enough to develop and publish relatively simple Web pages for myself and clients. I am considering getting to the next level in Web development and am wondering whether I should concentrate my learning efforts on Dream Weaver (or other) vs. Front Page. More sophisticated Web savvy people are telling me that FrontPage is not the way to go. Any thoughts? I appreciate your help.
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    If it is a choice of the two go with DW. Much more flexible then FP in my opinion. I also do a lot of my work in a simple text editor dealing with the html itself. Even DW is going to stick some stuff in your code that you may not want.
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    Im making a mass multyplayer online game and i need a builder that can not only create a cool site but support my game and have a registration form what can do that then ill tell you whos better FP or DW

    E-Mail me dont reply on the forom unleess you want to but e-mail me the reply with details so i can compare the 2 Darkdragon8691@netscape.net

    Thank you and who ever gives me the best reply gets a free game membership thatnk you and ill be looking for that e-mail

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    I think dreamweaver rockS!

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    I personally haven't found anything that Dreamweaver supports that FrontPage doesn't, including the Adobe/Macromedia application line. And if there is something you find, just put it directly into the html. And Frontpage is simpler all-around - design, layout, settings, everything. If Microsoft has done anything right with their Office suite, it's FrontPage.

    Dreamweaver bugs me in 2 ways:
    - First, every **** release they change EVERYTHING. Nothing is where it was before, everything looks fancier, and I get less window space that actually displays the page. One of the worst ideas in editing was putting all the properties and extra windows on the right hand side of the page. You NEED to see the entire width page when designing something, if you want it to look right for preview! With FrontPage, you can install it without the annoying right hand panels (which only show up for tables and select other properties), or if you don't customize your install, it's extremely easy to turn off.
    - Second, you're constantly tricking the program into doing what you really want it to do (not to quote the mac editing guy or anything, but it's true). Wether your in the html view, the WYSIWYG view, or the split view (all of which FrontPage has and handles better), it's consistantly doing things automatically, only allowing this or that, and making you search the menus and eventually waste time finding the setting that is stopping you from doing what you want to do. This all starts with Dreamweaver only letting you put in one space when typing, which is absolutely ridiculous. We are past that stage in computer & internet technology, seriously, why doesn't it automatically put in the  ??? Honestly, this is something I expected from the Word family, which allows typists to never learn how to spell nor punctuate as the paperclip auto-fixes everything (even things you don't want fixed)... but this time it's the other way around.

    Well, dreamweaver will probably be no more (or at least hopefully). I've tried Adobe's GoLive and other web-related products, all of which I have been unimpressed with.

    In any case, I suggest only making basic layout with a htmlediting program. Stay in split html view as much as you can; learn how things work, and do the majority of your editing in the html, not the layout.
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    Of the two, I'd definitely go with DreamWeaver. I think it's much better for scripting and FrontPage extensions don't always play well on Linux. Of course, I do most of my html in a simple text editor.

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    Thank you all for your comments and suggestions.
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    If you can afford it, Dreamweaver. No question in my mind. There is more of a learning curve, but cleaner code is generated, and more control is there. Dreamweaver is the tool of web designers. FrontPage is simply not.

    I'm uncertain as to the comments by firsttodd. You can customize where the toolbars are (I have none on the right left for instance), I don't think you have to "trick" Dreamweaver at all. I've never seen it do anything I didn't make it do. I "pwn" it. A non breaking space (   ) can be added with the buttons CONTROL + SHIFT + SPACE. I've been doing that since the late 90's.
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    Neither FP nor DW get my vote.

    FP produces noise in place of code which does not comply with any standards. DW is better now than when I used it but also goes out of its way to produce rubbish and second guess what you want.

    For anyone savvy enough to manage their own hosting, or even those who are starting to master html and css, my vote goes with notetab from http://www.notetab.com - try the free version for a few days. It might mean hand coding but within a couple of weeks of using it my production was way up because I got the code I wanted and not what some script thought I wanted. Good and valid code first time round, lean and without all the noise.

    I never did get around to learning how to script notetab to automate the things I do all the time. It has enough wizards for my needs and also automates css. I never tried it for php and javascript although that is available too, plus a few other scripting languages.

    Try it for a few days and see if you too can fall in love with it.

    Now I use a Mac, for no reason other than that Macs run PageSpinner and BBedit which together cost less than DW but do so much more. Including letting me do all my site development on the same environment as the server hosting the site.

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    Frontpage is for amateur webmasters.

    Dreamweaver 8 is for professional webmasters.

    I am glad that about 7 years ago I started with Dreamweaver 2 despite Frontpage being cheaper and easier to learn. Actually Dreamweaver is very easy to learn. I didn't read any manual. I taught myself to use Dreamweaver and I am sure you also can do it.

    Now version 8 is absolutely great. I also have latest versions of Frontpage and Adobe Golive CS. I never use them for developing websites because Dreamweaver 8 is so good.

    Comparing Dreamwaever with Frontpage is like comparing Google with Ask.com.

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